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Date : 20-10-2008, Monday | 11 Comments
ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ನವನಿರ್ಮಾಣ ಸೇನಾದ (ಎಂಎನ್‌ಎಸ್) ನಾಯಕ ರಾಜ್ ಠಾಕ್ರೆ ಹಿಡಿದಿರುವ ಮಾರ್ಗ ಸರಿಯೋ ಅಥವಾ ತಪ್ಪೋ ಎಂಬ ಚರ್ಚೆ ‘ಬುದ್ಧಿಜೀವಿ’ಗಳ ನಡುವೆಯೇ ಒಡಕ ನ್ನುಂಟುಮಾಡಿದೆ, ಹೊಸ ಜಿeಸೆಗೆ ಕಾರಣವಾಗಿದೆ. ರಾಜ್ ಠಾಕ್ರೆ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಒಂದು ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯಕ್ಕೆ ಬರುವ ಮೊದಲು, ಆತ ಹೀಗೇ ಎಂದು ತೀರ್ಪು ನೀಡುವ ಮುನ್ನ ಆತನ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ತಿಳಿದುಕೊಳ್ಳುವುದು ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದಲ್ಲವೆ? ಈ ಹಿನ್ನೆಲೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಅಕ್ಟೋಬರ್ 2ರಂದು ‘ಮುಂಬೈ ಮಿರರ್’ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಕಟವಾಗಿರುವ ಶೋಭಾ ಡೇ ಜತೆಗಿನ ರಾಜ್ ಠಾಕ್ರೆ ಸಂದರ್ಶನವನ್ನು ಓದಿ.
1 ಮಹಾತ್ಮ ಗಾಂಧೀಜಿಯವರ ಜನ್ಮದಿನವಾದ ಇದು ಅಹಿಂಸಾ ದಿನವೂ ಹೌದು. ಈ ದಿನದಂದು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಸಂದೇಶವೇನು?
ಮಹಾತ್ಮ ಗಾಂಧೀಜಿಯವರು ಅಹಿಂಸಾ ಚಳವಳಿ ನಡೆಸಿದ್ದು ಬುದ್ಧಿವಂತ ಹಾಗೂ ಶಿಕ್ಷಿತ ಬ್ರಿಟಿಷರ ವಿರುದ್ಧ! ಅಂತಹ ಕಾಲ ಹೋಯಿತು!!
2 ಅಂದರೆ ಇಂದಿನ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯ ಜನರಿಗೆ ಗಾಂಧೀಜಿ ಅಪ್ರಸ್ತುತ ಎಂದೆನಿಸುತ್ತಿದೆಯೇ?
ಗಾಂಧೀಜಿ ಖಾದಿ ಮತ್ತು ಸ್ವದೇಶಿಗೆ ಕರೆ ನೀಡಿದ್ದರು. ಆದರೆ ಇಂದು ಕಾಂಗ್ರೆಸ್ಸನ್ನು ಆಳುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ವಿದೇಶಿ ಮಹಿಳೆ. ಇದಕ್ಕಿಂತ ವಿರೋಧಾಭಾಸ ಇದೆಯೆ?
3 ಹಿಂಸಾಮಾರ್ಗ ತುಳಿಯುವುದು ಸರಿಯೇ ಎಂಬ ನನ್ನ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗೆ ನೀವು ಉತ್ತರಿಸಲಿಲ್ಲ?
ಮೊದಲನೆಯದಾಗಿ ನಾನು ಗಾಂಧೀಜಿಯಲ್ಲ. ಎರ ಡನೆಯದಾಗಿ, ನಾನು ನಮ್ಮ ರಾಜಕಾರಣಿಗಳಿಗೆ ಯಾವ ಭಾಷೆ ಅರ್ಥವಾಗುತ್ತದೋ ಅದೇ ‘ಭಾಷೆ’ಯಲ್ಲಿ ಮಾತನಾ ಡುತ್ತೇನೆ. ಮೊದಲು ಮಾತುಕತೆಯ ಮೂಲಕ ಹೇಳುತ್ತೇನೆ. ಮಾತಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು ಅರ್ಥವಾಗದಿದ್ದರೆ ಬೇರೆ ಭಾಷೆ ಯನ್ನು ಪ್ರಯೋಗಿಸುತ್ತೇನೆ. ವಿಧಿಯೇ ಇಲ್ಲ…
4 ಅಕಸ್ಮಾತ್ ನಾನೂ ಮರಾಠಿಯವಳಾಗಿಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದರೆ, ಮರಾಠಿ ಮಾತನಾಡಲು ಬಾರದೇ ಹೋಗಿದ್ದಿದ್ದರೆ ನೀವು ನನ್ನನ್ನು ಭೇಟಿಯಾಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದಿರೋ?
ನಾನು ಎತ್ತಿರುವ ವಿಷಯಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿ ಅರಿತುಕೊಳ್ಳಿ. ವಿಷಯ ಅರ್ಥಮಾಡಿಕೊಂಡರೆ ನಾನು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ನಿಮಗೆ ಅರ್ಥವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಚಿಕ್ಕಂದಿನಿಂದಲೂ ನಾನು ‘ರಾಮ ಲೀಲಾ’ ಪೂಜೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಪಾಲ್ಗೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದೆ. ಶಿವಾಜಿ ಪಾರ್ಕ್‌ನಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆಯುತ್ತಿದ್ದ ದುರ್ಗಾಪೂಜೆಗೆ ಅಮ್ಮನ ಜತೆ ಹೋಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದೆ. ಅದಕ್ಕೂ ಇದಕ್ಕೂ ಏನು ಸಂಬಂಧ?
5 ಒಂದು ವೇಳೆ ದುರ್ಗಾಪೂಜೆ ಮಾಡುವ ಆ ಬೆಂಗಾಲಿ ಗಳಿಗೆ ಮರಾಠಿ ಬರುವುದಿಲ್ಲವಾಗಿದ್ದರೆ?
ನಾನು ಸಂಪೂರ್ಣ ಹೇಳುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ಬಿಡಿ. ನಾನು ಚಿಕ್ಕ ಹುಡುಗನಾಗಿದ್ದಾಗಿನಿಂದಲೂ ನನ್ನ ಮನೆಯ ಬಳಿ ರಾಮ್ ಲೀಲೆಯನ್ನು ನೋಡಿದ್ದೇನೆ. ಮುಂಬೈನಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾರು ಇರಬೇಕು, ಯಾರು ಇರಬಾರದು ಎಂಬುದು ಇಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಯಲ್ಲ. ಭಾಷೆಯ ಆಧಾರದ ಮೇಲೆ ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳನ್ನು ರಚನೆ ಮಾಡಿದಾಗ, ಆಯಾ ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳಿಗೆ ಹೋಗಿದ್ದು ಯಾರು? ಇಂದು ಬಹಳಷ್ಟು ಮರಾಠಿಗರು ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರದ ಆಚೆ ನೆಲೆಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಹಾಗೆಯೇ ಅನ್ಯ ರಾಜ್ಯ ದವರೂ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಯಾರು ಯಾವ ರಾಜ್ಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಬೇಕಾದರೂ ವಾಸಿಸಬಹುದು. ಆದರೆ ಆ ರಾಜ್ಯದ ಸ್ಥಳೀಯ ಭಾಷೆ, ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಯನ್ನು ಕಲಿತುಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕು.
6 ಹಾಗಾದರೆ ಕೇರಳದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ಮಹಾ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರದ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಿಗೆ ಮಲಯಾಳಂ ಮಾತನಾಡಲು ಬರುವು ದಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂದು ಅಲ್ಲಿನವರು, ಹೋಗಾಚೆ ಎಂದರೆ…?
ಖಂಡಿತ ಹೇಳಬಹುದು.
7 ಯಾರು ಯಾವ ರಾಜ್ಯದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸಬೇಕೆಂಬುದು ನಿರ್ಧರಿಸಬೇಕಾದವರು ಯಾರು, ಭಾರತದಂತಹ ಪ್ರಜಾ ತಾಂತ್ರಿಕ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರದಲ್ಲಿ…?
ಭಾರತ್ ಯೂರೋಪ್‌ನಂತೆ. ಅಂದರೆ ಕರೆನ್ಸಿ ಒಂದೇ ಆಗಿದ್ದರೂ ಕಲ್ಚರ್ ಮತ್ತು ಭಾಷೆ ನೂರಾರಿವೆ! ನಮ್ಮದೂ ನೂರಾರು ಭಾಷೆ, ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಗಳಿರುವ ಯೂರೋಪ್!!
8 ಅಂದರೆ ಭಾರತವೂ ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳ ಒಕ್ಕೂಟ ಎಂದೇ?
ಹೌದು, ನಮ್ಮ ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳು ಅಸ್ತಿತ್ವಕ್ಕೆ ಬಂದಿದ್ದು ಭಾಷೆ, ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಗಳ ಆಧಾರದ ಮೇಲೆಯೇ ಅಲ್ಲವೆ? ಲಾಲ್ ಕೃಷ್ಣ ಆಡ್ವಾಣಿಯವರು ದಕ್ಷಿಣ ಭಾರತಕ್ಕೆ ಹೋದಾಗ ಹಿಂದಿ ಬದಲು ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್‌ನಲ್ಲಿ ಮಾತನಾಡುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಏಕೆ? ಅಂದಮೇಲೆ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಿಗರಾದ ನಮ್ಮ ಮೇಲೆ ಹಿಂದಿ ಯನ್ನೇಕೆ ಹೇರುತ್ತೀರಿ? ನೀವೂ ಮರಾಠಿ ಕಲಿಯಿರಿ.
9 ಹಿಂದಿಯನ್ನು ‘ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಭಾಷೆ’ ಎಂದು ಘೋಷಣೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದಾರಲ್ಲವೆ?
ಯಾವಾಗ, ಎಲ್ಲಿ ಘೋಷಣೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ?!
10 ಅಧಿಕೃತವಾಗಿ ಹಿಂದಿಯೇ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲವೆ?
ಹಾಗಾದರೆ ಇತಿಹಾಸವನ್ನು ತಡಕಾಡೋಣ. ಹಿಂದಿಯೂ ಒಂದು ರಾಜ್ಯಭಾಷೆ. ಅದನ್ನು ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಭಾಷೆ ಎಂದು ಘೋಷಣೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದು ಕಾಂಗ್ರೆಸ್ ಶೃಂಗದಲ್ಲಿ. ನಾನೂ ಹಿಂದಿಗೆ ಗೌರವ ಕೊಡುತ್ತೇನೆ. ಆದರೆ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕ್ಕೆ ಆಗಮಿಸುವ ಅನ್ಯ ರಾಜ್ಯದವರೇಕೆ ಮರಾಠಿ ಕಲಿಯು ವುದಿಲ್ಲ? ನೀವು ಫ್ರಾನ್ಸ್‌ಗೆ ಹೋದರೆ ಫ್ರೆಂಚ್ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲೇ ಮಾತನಾಡಬೇಕು. ಒಂದು ವೇಳೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್‌ನಲ್ಲಿ ಮಾತನಾ ಡಿದರೆ ಅದು ಜಾಗತಿಕ ಭಾಷೆಯಾಗಿದ್ದರೂ ಯಾರೂ ನಿಮ್ಮತ್ತ ಮುಖ ಎತ್ತಿ ನೋಡುವುದಿಲ್ಲ!
11 ಖಂಡಿತ. ಅದು ಅಲ್ಲಿಯ ಜನರ ಭಾಷೆ, ಅವ ರೊಂದಿಗೆ ವ್ಯವಹಾರ ಮಾಡಬೇಕೆಂದರೆ ಫ್ರೆಂಚ್‌ನಲ್ಲಿ ಮಾತನಾಡಬೇಕು…
ನಾನು ಒಪ್ಪುತ್ತೇನೆ. ಆದರೆ ಆ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಗಳು ಒಪ್ಪುತ್ತವೆಯೇ? ಆ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಯಾರು ಏನೂ ಹೇಳುವುದಿಲ್ಲ. ದಕ್ಷಿಣದ ನಾಲ್ಕೂ ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಹಿಂದಿಯನ್ನು ಮಾತನಾಡುವುದಿಲ್ಲ. ಅವರಿಗೆ ಯಾರೂ ಹಿಂದಿ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಭಾಷೆ ಎಂದು ಬೋಧನೆ ನೀಡುವುದಿಲ್ಲ. ಒಂದು ವೇಳೆ ಹಿಂದಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಮಾತನಾಡ ದಿದ್ದರೆ ದೇಶ ಒಡೆದುಹೋಗುತ್ತದೆ ಎಂದು ಯಾರೂ ಹೇಳು ವುದಿಲ್ಲ. ನಾನು ಸರಳವಾಗಿಯೇ ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ-ಮರಾಠಿ ಕಲಿಯಿರಿ. ಅಷ್ಟಕ್ಕೂ ಮರಾಠಿಯನ್ನು ಐಚ್ಚಿಕ ವಿಷಯವಾಗಿ ಮಾಡಿ, ಹಿಂದಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಮಾತನಾಡಿ ಎಂದು ಹೇಗೆ ನಮಗೆ ಹೇಳುತ್ತೀರಿ?
12 ನಾನು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಅರ್ಥಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳಿ. ಒಬ್ಬ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾನೆ ಹಾಗೂ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ-ಮುಂಬೈಗೆ ತನ್ನ ಕೊಡುಗೆ ನೀಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾನೆ ಎಂದಿಟ್ಟುಕೊಳ್ಳಿ. ಆತನಿಗೆ ಮರಾಠಿ ಬರುವುದಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂಬ ಕಾರಣಕ್ಕೆ ಆತನ ಸೇವೆಗೆ ಕಿಮ್ಮತ್ತಿಲ್ಲವೆ?
ಇದು ಕೊಡುಗೆಯ ವಿಷಯವಲ್ಲ. ಅವರು ಮರಾಠಿ ಕಲಿಯಬೇಕು.
13 ಇದು ಜಬರ್‌ದಸ್ತಿ ಎನಿಸುವುದಿಲ್ಲವೆ?
ಅವರಿಗೆ ಅರ್ಥವಾಗುವುದು ‘ಜಬರ್‌ದಸ್ತಿ’ ಭಾಷೆ ಮಾತ್ರ. ಶಾಲೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಮರಾಠಿ ಕಲಿಸಿ ಎಂದು ನಾನು ಮನವಿ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಂಡರೂ ಕಿವಿಗೆ ಹಾಕಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಇಂತಹ ಧೋರಣೆ ತೋರಿದರೆ ಜಬರ್‌ದಸ್ತಿ ಮಾಡಲೇ ಬೇಕಾಗುತ್ತದೆ.
14 ಇದು ಮತ್ತೇನು ಅಲ್ಲ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ಅಷ್ಟೇ…
ಖಂಡಿತ ಅಲ್ಲ, ಇದು ಆತ್ಮಗೌರವದ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆ, ಹೆಮ್ಮೆಯ ವಿಚಾರ. ಇತ್ತೀಚೆಗೆ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಬಂದಿರುವ ಹೊಸಬರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಾನು ಮಾತನಾಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದೇನೆ. ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಬೆಂಗಾಳಿಗಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ತಮಿಳರಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಹಾಗಂತ ಜ್ಯೋತಿಬಸು ಅಥವಾ ಭಟ್ಟಾಚಾರ್ಜಿ ಆಗಲೀ ಕರುಣಾನಿಧಿ ಮತ್ತು ಜಯಲಲಿತಾ ಆಗಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲಿಗೆ ಬಂದು ‘ನಮ್ಮವರೆಲ್ಲ ಒಂದಾಗೋಣ’ ಎಂದು ಭಾಷಣ ಮಾಡಿಲ್ಲ.
15 ಅಂದರೆ, ವೋಟ್‌ಬ್ಯಾಂಕ್ ರಾಜಕಾರಣ. ಇದು ಮಾಯಾವತಿಯವರ ಬಹುದಿನಗಳ ಯೋಜನೆಯಾಗಿತ್ತು..
ಬರೀ ಮಾಯಾವತಿ ಮಾತ್ರವಲ್ಲ. ಮುಲಾಯಂ ಸಿಂಗ್ ಯಾದವ್, ಲಾಲೂ ಪ್ರಸಾದ್ ಸೇರಿದಂತೆ ಎಲ್ಲರೂ ಮಾಡು ತ್ತಿರುವುದು ಅದನ್ನೇ..
16 ಅವರಿಗೆ ಬೇಕಾಗಿರುವುದಾದರೂ ಏನು?
ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರವನ್ನು ಆಕ್ರಮಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುವುದೆ ಅವರ ಬಯಕೆ. ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳ ಪಟ್ಟಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಇವತ್ತಿಗೂ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ನಂ.೧
17 ಹೆಚ್ಚು-ಕಮ್ಮಿ ನಾವು ದಿವಾಳಿಯಾಗಿದ್ದರೂ ನಮ್ಮ ಮೇಲೆ ಕಣ್ಣೆ?
ಅದಿಲ್ಲಿ ಹೇಗೆ ಪ್ರಸ್ತುತವಾದೀತು? ಆಂಧ್ರ ಪ್ರದೇಶ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕ್ಕಿಂತ ಹೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಸಾಲದ ಹೊರೆ ಹೊತ್ತಿದೆ. ದೇಶದ ಅಭಿವೃದ್ಧಿ ಯೋಜನೆಗಳು ಬೇರೆ ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳಿಗೆ ಹೋಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದರೂ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ನಂ. ೧ ಆಗಿಯೇ ಇದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಇವತ್ತು ಎಚ್ಚೆತ್ತುಕೊಳ್ಳದಿದ್ದರೆ ಇದೇ ಪ್ರಗತಿಯ ಮುಂದುವರಿಕೆ ಅಸಾಧ್ಯ.
18 ಅದಕ್ಕೆಲ್ಲ ಹಣಕಾಸು ಹರಿದುಬರಬೇಕು. ಇಂಥ ಪ್ರಾದೇಶಿಕ ಚಿಂತನೆಯಿಂದ ಅದು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಾ?
ಬಿಎಂಡಬ್ಲ್ಯು ಯೋಜನೆ ತಮಿಳುನಾಡಿಗೆ ಹೋದದ್ದೇಕೆ ಗೊತ್ತಾ? ಅವರ ನಿಲುವಿನಿಂದಾಗಿ. ನಮ್ಮ ಮುಖ್ಯಮಂತ್ರಿಗಳ ಗೈರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಒಬ್ಬ ತಮಿಳು ಐಎಎಸ್ ಅಧಿಕಾರಿ ಬಿಎಂಡಬ್ಲ್ಯು ಪ್ರತಿನಿಧಿಗಳೊಂದಿಗೆ ಮಾತನಾಡಿ, ಬೇಕೆಂದೇ ಅಡ್ಡಿ ಆತಂಕ ನಿರ್ಮಿಸಿ, ಅದು ತಮಿಳುನಾಡಿಗೆ ಹೋಗುವಂತೆ ನೋಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಾನೆ.
19 ಮರ್ಸಿಡಿಸ್ ಇಲ್ಲಿದೆ ಎಂಬ ಕಾರಣವೂ ಇರಬಹುದಲ್ಲ?
ಇಲ್ಲ. ಅದಾಗಿದ್ದು ಐಎಎಸ್ ಅಧಿಕಾರಿ ಕೈಚಳಕದಿಂದ. ಬಿಎಂಡಬ್ಲ್ಯು ನಮ್ಮನ್ನು ತೊರೆದ ಮರುಕ್ಷಣವೇ ಆ ಅಧಿಕಾರಿ ತನ್ನ ತಮಿಳು ಸಹೋದ್ಯೋಗಿಗಳನ್ನು ಸಂಪರ್ಕಿಸಿ ಬಿಎಂಡಬ್ಲ್ಯುವನ್ನು ಸಂಪರ್ಕಿಸಲು ಸೂಚನೆ ನೀಡಿದ. ಅಲ್ಲಿ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಬೇಕಾದ ಎಲ್ಲ ಸೌಲಭ್ಯಗಳನ್ನೂ ನೀಡಲಾಯಿತು.
20 ಇದು ಐಎಎಸ್ ಹಂತದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಭ್ರಷ್ಟಾಚಾರವನ್ನು ಬಿಂಬಿಸುವುದಿಲ್ಲವೆ?
ಅದು ಹಾಗಲ್ಲ. ಹೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಮಂದಿ ನನ್ನ ನೆಲ, ಭಾಷೆ, ನನ್ನ ಜನ ಎಂಬ ನೆಲೆಗಟ್ಟಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಚಿಂತಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ.
21 ಬೇರೆ ರಾಜ್ಯಗಳಿಗೆ ಹೋಲಿಸಿದರೆ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಿಗರು ಉತ್ಸಾಹ ಕಳೆದುಕೊಂಡಿರುವುದೇಕೆ?
ನಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಆಳುತ್ತಿರುವವರು ಮಾನಸಿಕವಾಗಿ ಭ್ರಷ್ಟರಾಗಿ ದ್ದಾರೆ. ಜನರನ್ನು ಪ್ರಭಾವಿಸಬೇಕಾದವರೇ ಇವರು. ಗುಜರಾತ್ ಚುನಾವಣೆಯುದ್ದಕ್ಕೂ ಗುಜರಾತಿಗಳು ಪರಸ್ಪರ ಎದುರಾದಾಗ ‘ಓಂ ನಮಃ ನಮಃ’ ಎನ್ನುತ್ತಿದ್ದರು. ‘ಓಂ ನರೇಂದ್ರ ಮೋದಿ ನಮಃ’ ಎನ್ನೋದು ಅಲ್ಲಿನ ಅರ್ಥವಾಗಿತ್ತು.
22 ಮೋದಿ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯ?
ಒಬ್ಬ ಉತ್ತಮ ಆಡಳಿತಗಾರ. ನನ್ನ ಕೆಲ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಂ ಗೆಳೆಯರು ಹೇಳುತ್ತಾರೆ, ‘ಗೋಧ್ರಾ ಘಟನೆ ಒತ್ತಟ್ಟಿಗಿರಲಿ. ಆದರೆ ಮೋದಿ ಗುಜರಾತ್ ಅನ್ನು ಅಭಿವೃದ್ಧಿ ಪಥದಲ್ಲಿ ಮುನ್ನಡೆಸುವುದನ್ನು ನೋಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದರೆ ನಾವ್ಯಾಕಾದರೂ ಇಲ್ಲಿಗೆ ಬಂದೇವೆನಿಸುತ್ತಿದೆ. ಮರಳಿ ಅಲ್ಲಿಗೆ ಹೋಗುವ ಆಶಯ ನಮ್ಮದು’ ಅಂತ.
23 ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕ್ಕೊಬ್ಬ ಮೋದಿ ಬೇಕೆ?
ಹಂಡ್ರೆಡ್ ಪರ್ಸಂಟ್!
24 ಇಷ್ಟಕ್ಕೂ ರಾಜ್ಯದ ಒಳಿತು-ಕೆಡಕುಗಳನ್ನು ನಿರ್ಧರಿ ಸೋರ್‍ಯಾರು?
ಬೇಕು-ಬೇಡಗಳು ಜನರಿಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತು. ನನಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತು. ಹಾಗಾಗಿಯೇ ನಾನೇನಾದರೂ ಹೇಳಿದಾಗ ಜನ ಪ್ರತಿಕ್ರಿಯಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ.
25 ನಿಮ್ಮ ಗುರಿಯಾದರೂ ಏನು? ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರದ ಮುಖ್ಯಮಂತ್ರಿಯಾಗುವುದೋ? ಭಾರತದ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿಯಾಗುವುದೋ?
ಪಕ್ಷಕ್ಕೆ ನಾನಿಟ್ಟ ಹೆಸರು ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ನವನಿರ್ಮಾಣ ಸೇನಾ. ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರದ ಗಡಿ ದಾಟಿ ನಾನು ಹೋಗಲಾರೆ. ನನ್ನ ಎಂಪಿಗಳು ಹೋಗುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಏಕೆಂದರೆ ರಾಜ್ಯದ ಪರ ಕೆಲಸ ಮಾಡಬೇಕಾದ ಅವಶ್ಯಕತೆ ಇದೆ.
26 ಶಿವಾಜಿ ಪಾರ್ಕ್ ಸುತ್ತ-ಮುತ್ತ ಇರುವ ಸುಶಿಕ್ಷಿತ ಯುವಕರು ನಿಮ್ಮ ತಂತ್ರಗಳನ್ನು ಒಪ್ಪುತ್ತಾರೆ ಎಂದು ಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದೀರಾ?
ತಂತ್ರವಾ..
27 ಹೌದು. ಜನರ ಮೇಲೆ ಬಲಪ್ರಯೋಗಿಸುವ, ಕಲ್ಲು ತೂರುವ, ಆಸ್ತಿ ಹಾನಿ ಎಸಗುವ ತಂತ್ರಗಳನ್ನು ಅವರು ಒಪ್ಪಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಾರಾ? ಇದರಿಂದ ಬಾಂಬೆಗೆ ಕೆಟ್ಟ ಹೆಸರು ಬರುವುದಿಲ್ಲವೇ?
ಬಾಂಬೆ ಅಲ್ಲ, ಮುಂಬಯಿ..
28 ಸರಿ. ಮುಂಬಯಿ..
ಇದು ಮುಂಬಯಿಗೆ ಕೆಟ್ಟ ಹೆಸರು ತರುತ್ತದೆ ಎಂದಾದರೆ, ೧೯೯೨-೯೩ರ ಗಲಭೆಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಏನಂತೀರಿ? ಅದಾದ ನಂತರ ಕೈಗಾರಿಕೆಗಳು ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕ್ಕೆ ಕಾಲಿಡಲೇ ಇಲ್ಲವೆ? ನನ್ನ ವಾದವಿಷ್ಟೆ. ನೀವು ನನ್ನ ಹಕ್ಕು ಕಸಿಯಬೇಡಿ. ನಾನು ನಿಮ್ಮದನ್ನು ಕಸಿಯುವುದಿಲ್ಲ.
29 ಮುಗ್ಧರ ಹತ್ಯೆಯನ್ನು ನೀವು ಸಮರ್ಥಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತೀರಾ?
ನನ್ನನ್ನೇಕೆ ಕೇಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದೀರಿ? ೧೦೦ ಮಂದಿ ಅಪರಾಧಿಗಳು ತಪ್ಪಿಸಿಕೊಂಡರೂ ಒಬ್ಬ ನಿರಪರಾಧಿಗೆ ಶಿಕ್ಷೆಯಾಗಬಾರದು ಎಂಬ ದಿನಗಳು ಹೋಗಿ, ಅದರ ವಿರುದ್ಧದ್ದೇ ಈಗ ಘಟಿಸು ತ್ತಿದೆ. ಅವರು ನಮ್ಮ ಮೇಲೇರಿ ಬಂದರು. ನಾವೇನೂ ಮಾಡ ಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಕೇವಲ ಹತ್ತೇ ದಿನಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಈ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆ ಪರಿಹರಿಸುವ ಛಾತಿ ಮುಂಬಯಿ ಪೊಲೀಸರಿಗಿದೆ.
30 ರಾಹುಲ್ ಗಾಂಧಿಗೆ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿಯಾಗುವ ಅರ್ಹತೆ ಇದೆಯೇ?
ಅನುಭವಿಗಳು ೬೦ ವರ್ಷಗಳ ಕಾಲ ಈ ದೇಶವನ್ನು ಹಾಳುಗೆಡವಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಇನ್ನೈದು ವರ್ಷ ದೇಶವನ್ನು ಹಾಳು ಮಾಡಲು ಆತನಿಗೂ ಒಂದು ಅವಕಾಶ ಕೊಡಿ!
31 ಪ್ರಧಾನಿ ಸ್ಥಾನಕ್ಕೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಆಯ್ಕೆ ಆಡ್ವಾಣಿಯೋ? ಮಾಯಾವತಿಯೋ?
ಆಡ್ವಾಣಿ. ಬಹಳಷ್ಟು ವರ್ಷಗಳ ಅನುಭವವಿರುವವರು ಹಾಗೂ ಉಪ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿಯಾಗಿದ್ದವರು.
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thanks pratap
now we know the attitude of raj thakre
Taking the pain of traslating to Kannada and sparing your time is not a small job. Many ppl dinno who is and what is Raj Takre is up to.
Thanks for the publication Pratap. God Bless you.
I think every one should first read this interview before reading your article on another page on Raj Takre. We need surely a Kannada Takre.
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Dear All, This is for your Information.
This situation will arise because, All the Jobs in Maharashatra then, will be Occupied by Non- Maharashtrians. Non Maharashtrians here means not people from North India, South India, etc., But those People who are Not Domiciled In Maharashtra. Similar situation may happen to people of other states too.
Railway Recruitment Board aspirants are Brutally Beaten Up !!!
There is large scale Rioting in Bandra, Kalyan, etc !!!!
STOP.
THINK. Why this Situation has come up ???
The Actual Truth is this :-
Since Independence India’s States were formed on the Basis of the Local Languages. Logical. Since 1976, The employment criteria of the Central Recruitment Board was divided into zones as per the General People of India. This division was based on the Local Language of the States.
Zone-A Bihar, Haryana, HP, MP, Rajasthan, UP, Andaman, Delhi formed the Hindi Speaking Zone.
Zone-B Maharashtra, Gujarat, Punjab & Chandigad, the Non Hindi Speaking Zone.
Zone-C Southern India States like Kerala, Karnataka, etc. & North Eastern States like
Assam, Mizoram, Bengal etc.
The Central Employment Rule said that ‘All Exams for Employments in the respective Zones shall be Held in the Respective States Only.’ So that the Local People may get the Jobs in their Home Town. Very Logical. For 30 Years everything was going Fine.
But since 1987, there was a Minor Change in the Rule 9 Part 9.2.2, for Zone -B Jobs. And this was made a Rule since 1988. This change was that ‘As an optional Language of employement, People of Zone-A can Apply for Jobs in Zone-B.’ This opened up doors of Employement for All Zone-A aspirants in Zone-B areas.
But with this Clause there was a Sub-Clause, stating ‘ The Notice of Jobs in Zone-B areas for Zone-A aspirants, May be given in Zone-A Areas only.’ Because of this, Recruitment Notices for Jobs in Maharashtra, etc.
are Displayed Only in states like UP, Bihar, Rajasthan, etc. But these Notices are Seldom displayed in Newspapers of Maharashtra, etc.
So this time, for the 3000 Railway Posts in Maharashtra, 12000 Aspirants came from Zone-A areas. The Result of this is that, the Un-employed of Maharashtra is Remaining Un-employed. This will surely lead to Suicides in Due Course.
Many Parties over these years Requested the Central Recruitment Board to Cancel this Clause. But this was Not done. The Result of this is, the Large Scale Beating Up and Rioting Today. This violent means is Not Correct. But has there been any choice Left today ???
This mail is Not to Justify Violence, but to show to you how some Politicians, by Modifying some Rules, have Subtly ensured that their Constituency people get Better Employements. Why should all these Politicians hold rallies in Maharashtra ???
How will anything be done, as all these Years people like Nitish Kumar, Ram Vilas Paswan and Lalu Prasad Yadav are the Railway Ministers. Today many TCs, Booking Clerks, GRP, in the Mumbai Railways are from Zone-A areas. Today Many New Trains have been started to these States. Holiday Specials & Garib Raths are also run specially for these States. This is a Fact.
What Should Be Done ;- College Admissions and Employments should be Given on the Basis of Domicile Certificates. I remember in 1991, when I was applying for College Admissions I was asked to produce a Domicile Cert. But after my Batch this Rule was Relaxed. 17 years down the line we are Witnessing the Result of All this.
Agreed, 10% Out of Maharashtra People may be Allowed. But First Think of the Sons of Soil. This should be applicable Not Only in Maharashtra, but also in other States.
Read and if you agree kindly Forward to Not Only Marathi People, But also to Non-Maharashtrians. Let them also be aware of the Situation that may happen to their Jobs as well.
Hi,
Can you please help me in getting the English version of the articles? Because my friends do not know to read kannada. They are all North Indians.
Regards,
Chethana
Raj thackeray interview by shobha de – Mumbai mirror
SD: Today is non-violence day. What is your message?
RT: I feel Mahatma Gandhi’s non-violence was for the intelligent, educated British. It was not for those who don’t understand this language. Those circumstances don’t exist today.
SD: Is Gandhiji relevant to the common public?
RT: The point is the Mahatma gave the call of swadeshi and khadi. That Congress is being run by a foreign woman today. What could be more contradictory than this?
SD: How did Sharad Pawar accept her?
RT: Don’t bring up the subject of Sharad Pawar. His politics is different. He created a political party based on the ‘swadeshi, pardeshi’ fact. And now he is with the Congress. So it’s better not to speak about him because this has been going on for many years. I only want to say, the population of India is about 100 to 125 crores. Am I opposing Sonia Gandhi on a personal level? There is no reason for that. But from among the 100 to 125 crore population, such a big party found a woman from outside the country. We were speaking about Gandhi. I was punning on swadeshi and videshi.
SD: But you have not answered the question on violence. Whether you endorse it…
RT: I am not Mahatma Gandhi. And secondly, I speak to people in the language they understand. First I have a dialogue, if that is not understood I speak in another language. There is no remedy for this.
SD: Had I not been a Marathi manoos, would you still have met me? Suppose my Marathi is not good enough…
RT: Marathi is not good enough? Understand my main issue. If you understand the issue you will understand what I am saying. Since my childhood I have been attending Durga Puja with my mother, at Shivaji Park. What’s the connection? I was going anyway.
SD: But if those Bengali people cannot speak in Marathi, then?
RT: Let me complete talking about the issue. Since I was a child, I have seen the Ram Lila near my house. The question is not who should live here and who shouldn’t. When states were created on linguistic basis, who went where? Today many Marathi people live outside the state. Similarly, people from other states live in Maharashtra. Whoever lives in whichever state should learn the culture of the state and its language.
SD: What if a Maharashtrian living in Kerala is told, ‘you can’t speak Malayalam, so get out.’
RT: If that happens, the Malayalees are right.
SD: Taking the democracy argument further, in a country like India, who decides which person has the right to be in whichever part of the country?
RT: India is like Europe. This means there is one currency and numerous languages and cultures. And this is a ‘Europe’ made up of various cultures.
SD: Like federal states.
RT: Yes. In all this, our states came into being because of languages and cultures, right? When Lal Krishna Advani goes to the South he speaks in English instead of Hindi. Why? Why are we being forced with a dosage of Hindi? You learn our Marathi.
SD: Hindi has been declared the national language, that’s why.
RT: Where is it a national language?
SD: Officially it is the national language.
RT: That is what I am saying. Let’s check its history. Hindi is a state language. It was declared the national language in a Congress session. We can speak on this with proof later. It is the national language. I respect it. But why won’t anyone learn Marathi? It is my own language. If you go to France, you have to speak French. If you speak in English, no one looks at you. On the one hand we say English is a global language.
SD: Yes it is. It is the language of commerce, the language of the people.
RT: I agree. But are these countries willing to agree? No one tells them anything. Hindi is not spoken in any of the four southern states. No one says anything to them. No one tells them it is the national language. No one tells them if you don’t speak Hindi the country will be divided. Don’t you want the country to be united? No one gives them such advice. I am making things simpler. I am saying learn Marathi. How can you put our language as an optional subject and tell us to speak Hindi?
SD: What I am saying is, suppose someone who lives here and is contributing to Maharashtra, Mumbai, but doesn’t know Marathi, is that person’s contribution any less?
RT: It is not about contribution. They should learn Marathi.
SD: Isn’t that some kind of jabardasti?
RT: They don’t understand any other language but jabardasti. My plea to teach Marathi in schools was not heard either. If this is your attitude, we will do jabardasti.
SD: But then your own children went to an English medium school.
RT: What’s the connection? I am saying non-Marathi people should know Marathi, not that Marathi people should know Marathi.
SD: Isn’t that a double standard?
RT: How is that linked? I will tell you the same thing again; I am not concerned with how many languages you should know.
SD: This is nothing but politics of language.
RT: No. This is a matter of self-esteem, of pride. I am talking of the new people here, those who have arrived recently. There are Bengalis here. But I have never seen Jyoti Basu or Bhattacharya come here and give speeches to them. Tamilians live here. I have never seen Karunanidhi and Jayalalithaa come here and give them speeches like, ‘Come together Tamilians’ etc.
SD: And for a vote bank. And this is Mayawati’s long-term plan.
RT: Not just Mayawati. Even Mulayam Singh Yadav, Lalu Prasad, everyone.
SD: What do they want?
RT: They want to capture Maharashtra. If you see state-wise, even today Maharashtra is No 1.
SD: Even though we are bankrupt, more or less? RT: How is that associated with this? Andhra Pradesh is more in debt than Maharashtra. The development coming into the country today is going to
other states. But Maharashtra is still No 1 with the kind of development we have. Perhaps this might not be so later if Maharashtra does not pay attention today.
SD: If we want to attract that kind of funding, how will we be able to get it with such parochial thinking?
RT: Why did BMW go to Tamil Nadu? It is due to the attitude. In the absence of our chief minister, a Tamilian IAS officer spoke to the BMW representatives and kept saying no to them, creating obstacles.
SD: Because Mercedes was here?
RT: No. BMW really wanted to come here. But the IAS officer said we don’t want to do this, we don’t want to do that. They left. After this that IAS officer called up his Tamilian colleague in Tamil Nadu and told him to contact BMW. They were given all kinds of facilities and BMW is in that state.
SD: Does that reflect corruption at IAS level or is it a bigger plan?
RT: It is like this, most people think ‘it’s my region, language and people’.
SD: Where does Maharashtra pale in comparison and why?
RT: There is no political will. The subject about BMW is pending. The other day there was a report which I will send to you if you want, the foreigners who have come to Tamil Nadu with BMW, are learning Tamil.
SD: That is an interesting point. Are the Mercedes people in Pune speaking Marathi?
RT: No. There is not even flag-hoisting in that Mercedes school. They were told ‘In this country, in this state, all schools hoist the flag, and then the students are given the day off. You should also do this.’ Their reply was, ‘We will not do it.’
SD: Why do you think the Maharashtrian manoos lacks the killer instinct that we see in other states?
RT: Those who govern us have become mentally corrupt. Ultimately they are the ones who influence masses. Through the elections in Gujarat, each time two Gujaratis came face to face here, they said “Om Namah Namah”. They meant Om Narendra Modi Namah.
SD: What do you think of him?
RT: He is a very good administrator. He has been called all kinds of names. Some of my Muslim friends said ‘Whatever happened in Godhra etc, is okay. But the way Modi is leading progress in Gujarat, we wonder why we came back here? We feel like going back.’
SD: Does Maharashtra need a Narendra Modi?
RT: Hundred per cent.
SD: Who would that person be?
RT: If I had the chance, I will straighten things in Maharashtra.
SD: Switching to a more recent topic, Amitabh apologised on Jaya’s behalf… was it because you had threatened to stop Drona’s release?
RT: Drona had nothing to do with it. (Producer of Drona) Goldie is my friend.
SD: You think Jaya’s remarks were politically motivated?
RT: Hundred per cent. If she is a Samajwadi Party MP and if I have an issue with these very people, then why shouldn’t I view them from that angle? She had also moved a private member’s proposal in Rajya Sabha to separate Mumbai from Maharashtra. Why should I look at them kindly?
SD: Who decides what’s good for the state and what’s not?
RT: People know, I know. When I say something, people react.
SD: Why don’t you get mass support, then?
RT: Come with me, and you’ll know… I’ll show you my mass support.
SD: But only this morning, whatever your intentions were in supporting Balasaheb, have been rejected. He has called you a traitor, a back-stabber and more in the Saamana editorial.
RT: Let me tell you, Balasaheb doesn’t write the edits any more. For the last several years, someone else is writing the edits for him. Earlier, someone else used to speak through him. Now, someone is writing on his behalf.
SD: They’re putting words in his mouth?
RT: Balasaheb has nothing to do with all this. Did I ever say that Sena should not raise the issue? Did I say that I am doing it because Sena is useless? I said this was an insult to Maharashtra. When you insult the state leader, you are insulting the state. This is what I said about Sharad Pawar on May 3.
SD: The other people are more powerful than Balasaheb?
RT: Yes, they are now running the party.
SD: Which means he is completely a toothless tiger?
RT: I won’t say that. After all, there is the age factor. I had said this in an interview earlier and I say it again — you’ll know what it means when you turn 82.
The editorials are written by Sanjay Raut.
SD: Suppose Balasaheb asks you to come back.
RT: I never had an issue with him.
SD: He’s still the head of party.
RT: No, he’s not… someone else is. He is only there for the sake of it. Someone else runs the party.
SD: The person you’re not naming… is he Uddhav?
RT: Whoever…
SD: Suppose Uddhav phones you, suppose his father asks him to…
RT: No, no, no… I don’t want to talk about this.
SD: Are you looking at a future takeover or merger with Sena? May be after Balasaheb?
RT: No, I don’t think about that. I am working with my party, my people in Maharashtra.
SD: What’s the ultimate objective? CM of Maharashtra? PM of India?
RT: First and foremost, I have named my party as Maharashtra Navnirmaan Sena. I don’t want to go beyond Maharashtra’s boundaries. My MPs will go — they must, because they need to work for the state.
SD: The impression is that you are one of the biggest landlords in India?
RT: I’ll be happy if I am.
SD: So it’s not true? Are you one of the biggest in Maharashtra?
RT: Go, count my property and tell me if I am. You are talking about Kohinoor. It’s not with me. It’s with the IL&FS. The headlines look great: Raj buys Kohinoor for Rs 421 crore. Where did I get Rs 421 crore?
SD: Tell us…
RT: IL&FS was our third partner. We were one-third partners each. You know when the politicians speak, people think otherwise. I was sitting in this hall outside. Since childhood, we have been playing and going around Shivaji Park. Shiv Sena Bhavan was here. I have a construction business.
SD: As a politician, how important is money?
RT: Most important. What can you run without money?
SD: The young Maharashtrians, even those living around Shivaji Park, young educated, restless Maharashtrians… do they subscribe to your tactics?
RT: Tactics?
SD: Yes, tactics. Using force on people, throwing stones, pelting cars, destroying property… do they approve of it? Don’t you think you’re giving Bombay a very bad name?
RT: Mumbai.
SD: Ok, Mumbai.
RT: If this is giving a bad name to Mumbai, then what do you say of the 1992-93 riots? Did the industries not come to Maharashtra at all? The point is this — you don’t take away my rights, I won’t take yours.
SD: Do you justify Hitler’s tactics?
RT: Yes, I do. If you don’t understand my point of view, I’ll have to do this. For me, Maharashtra’s pride is most important. Maharashtra is for Marathi manoos. Will you say England belongs to other nationals because they are there in large numbers?
SD: But what if our people don’t have a pioneering spirit, why should you blame others?
RT: But they do. Page Three culture does not represent all the industry. There are many who are doing their work. Let’s take Chitale Bandhu. Their turnover is over Rs 500-700 crore. They don’t figure on Page Three, so they are not called industrialists.
SD: Couple of final questions: the Nanavati Commission, what do you feel about it?
RT: I think we must understand what happened there. It’s not only about Narendra Modi. It’s about the masses.
SD: He represents a certain phase in history. They will say it happened in Modi’s era.
RT: It did. Ok. The issue is there are blasts all over the country. What will you do?
SD: How do you rate the Mumbai Police?
RT: I have full faith in them. Give them full freedom. They’ll end this in 10 days. What they showed in A Wednesday, which I recently watched, is true. Anupam Kher demands complete control.
SD: But should every citizen take the law into his own hands like Naseeruddin Shah’s character? Should they be using RDX to settle scores?
RT: Correct. That’s what I am saying. People hand over the power to you with immense faith. It’s your job to ensure tough implementation of laws.
SD: So… who isn’t doing it?
RT: The government. The Chief Minister, the deputy Chief Minister, the Home Minister… everybody wants votes.
SD: Whose votes?
RT: Muslim votes. The ministers are scared if they take action, carry out combing operation, the Muslim vote will go against the Congress government.
SD: Are you saying that innocents’ killing is justified?
RT: Why are you asking me? Those days are gone when they said that never mind if 100 guilty were scot free but one innocent shouldn’t be punished. It’s the absolute opposite that’s going on today. They are coming at us and we are doing nothing. Mumbai police have the capability to end this menace in just 10 days.
SD: Somebody like Sanjay Dutt, with his criminal record…
RT: What should I say about him? Should I say good about his films or ill about his record?
SD: Should the system permit someone like Sanjay to contest elections? Why not Abu Salem then?
RT: There are scores of others. Phoolandevi contested from jail and won. That’s where democracy should be redefined.
SD: Rahul Gandhi as PM?
RT: I don’t know. I’ve never met him.
SD: Is he worthy?
RT: Those who had experience, have ruined this country for last 60 years. Let’s ruin it for five more years by giving it to new people.
SD: Mayawati or L K Advani?
RT: Advani. He has been there for so many years, has been the deputy Prime Minister.
SD: What’s your personal fear?
RT: I am scared of my dogs running around without a leash.
SD: What about your style statement? You’re a sharp dresser, you have expensive tastes, pens, watches.
RT: I wear a shirt, trousers. I get them stitched at Gabana, the local tailor; not from Dolce and Gabbana. No designers for me. I am most comfortable in kurta-pyjama when I am travelling. What is more important is what I do. Not what I wear. For instance, Narayan Rane moves around in a suit. If he’s doing good work in Sindhudurg, it doesn’t matter whether he’s wearing a kurta-pajama or a dhoti.
SD: How do you relax?
RT: Reading. I read biographies. Hitler, Indira Gandhi.
SD: Hitler as a hero?
RT: You know I think Gandhiji was the greatest leader in India in the last century. Similarly, Hitler’s commitment to the German nation-building is historical. No one will support his genocide of Jews.
SD: Your strategy — Maharashtra for Maharashtrians… how is it so different from Hitler’s? Who is an outsider?
RT: Those who don’t accept the official language here are outsiders. Marathi is local. Those who have come from outside but have accepted this state as theirs are locals. I have several Gujarati friends who have lived here for generations. They speak in Marathi.
SD: Does Ratan Tata speak Marathi?
RT: I don’t know, but JRD did. Let’s not involve Ratan Tata in this. He has his industries all over, he goes out in the world. He belongs to India. Let’s not confine him. Anil Ambani speaks Marathi.
SD: Non-Marathi speaking elite are welcome and not those poor outsiders.
RT: You may ask these questions in other states. If you want to do business, you learn the official language. I don’t need any certificate. Don’t Marwaris learn Bengali when they set up business in Bengal? In other states, they take it in writing that 80 percent jobs will be for locals. You can’t buy land in Himachal Pradesh if you are an outsider. Why not advise them?
SD: Should we reproduce that model here?
RT: Yes, we must. Change the rest of the country and then come to us. We always thought of others, they don’t think of us. We will not live on their terms and conditions. They must live on ours. And if you see a dictator in me, I am fine with it. So be it.
Namma Vatal Nagraj avaru kooda Raj thakreygintha adbhuthavaagi,sakath aagi maathadthaare atha ee interview odida mele annisthide. Gandhiji thatvagala bagge baayige banda haage maathadidre prachara gittisabahudu antha artha maadikonda ella prachara priyaroo ade kelasa maadthidaare. Baapoo maathige eedi desha thale thoogthitthu. Avaru yaavude cheap tricks balasidavaralla. Kaanadidaa bagge,odikondiddanne thamage bekaada haage arthysi kanda kanda haage maathadodu yaava seeme inspiration. Yaavudo cinema script idda haagide sandarshana.
though i am against thakre’s ambition for acceeding belgavi to MH, i completely agree to his views on his recent attacks on Northindians for the following reasons.
1.every other state capital in india enforces its local language over hindi, so whats wrong in takre asking for marati sign boards get prominence over hindi??? dont we southindians do it??
2. even to this date railway recruitment exams are flooded by biharis when the criteria is only 10th pass, that too travelling from bihar to states like MH and KA!!
3. when ur a guest in some one elses place, its ur duty to respect that place’s culture, language and people which the north indians dont do.
4. marati people dont have any other state except MH to showcase their language, it would unfair of the world to say that they have to make way for other language boards ignoring marati.
5. the media doesnt say anything about anti hindi sentiments that we south indians and east indians exhibit. infact you get wrong directions if u spoke in hindi in TN asking for address!!!!
but our media were competing with each other to assault raj for his voice.
i hope just like ur frank articles in print media, we also get to see a total non-bias electronic news channel. you can start one dude. take my advice … suvarna news seems a bit non biased to me. Mr.Vishweshwar Bhat has good relations with Suvarna’s Bhat. u can atleast start off with a “news & views” like show if not a channel… for a start.
also ur site lacks the option for guests to reply to other guests comments.
just some advice.
hi pratap……… nanu Raj thackeray matannu complete oppikollalu sidhanilla. Namma deshada samskriti adalla. Pradeshikate elle meerida vartane anta annisodilve? Narendra modi yanne tagolli avrenu gujarati gujrati anta bhashe bagge raj tara bobbe hoditidara? Gujarat abhivriddi agilva? Bhashe bagge preeti kalagi beku sari.. adare “ati sarvarta varjayet” anno matu idyalla. avaru hididiruva vidhana himse. alli amyakaru baliyaguva sadhyate irutte. Tappu madade iruvavaru shikshe anubavisodu estu sari?
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He may not be correct fully, but, some things are considerable. I don’t find any sense in offering everything to others when we are starving. Most of important portfolios are reserved for the North Indian ministers and we know what has that cost us! We know the condition of railway recruitments.
And Hindi is not National Language!!!